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amasad

Hi, I thought it'd be fun to do. AMA.

Thanks everyone, closing this but you can ask me questions here: https://replit.com/@amasad/Ask-Me-Anything

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lilykhan

Can we have a custom header with hacker plan? https://repl.it/feedback/p/custom-header-with-hacker-plan 👀

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@lilykhan Heck ya

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amasad

@lilykhan yes! We are redesigning Profile and will add customization for hackers!

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@amasad yay!!!

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amasad

@lilykhan @replitjeremy is leading profile if you want to talk to him

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lilykhan

oh tq, I'll let them know if I'll have any question or suggestion! :)

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FlaminHotValdez

@amasad Why only hackers? :(

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WILLIAMBAEWER

@FlaminHotValdez because they need money to buy food :)

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lilykhan

replit support so many ppl and hackathons, they also need to pay their employees. so hacker plan can be helpful! :D

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shoury2021

@lilykhan I'm waiting for that since YEARS!

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lilykhan

@shoury2021 Hope to get it soon ™️

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Wilke000

YES @FlaminHotValdez, I agree!

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@lilykhan yess!

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CodeLongAndPros

Can you send a photo of your setup? I.e computer with normal work apps open?
(Also what is "expert-level in systems programming languages" lol)

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xxpertHacker

@CodeLongAndPros Does amasad consider himself to be that? (expert-level in...)

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CodeLongAndPros

@xxpertHacker I don't know but it's a requirement in the jobs page

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xxpertHacker

@CodeLongAndPros Oh, I must've overlooked it. Interesting.

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amasad

@CodeLongAndPros I only use a laptop. Macbook air. I do most of my coding on Replit so I don't need any fancy setup.

In general, my view on setups is that it's a fun thing that might have a marginal impact on your productivity. But I built my first business on a crappy old pc in the basement in amman, Jordan.

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CodeLongAndPros

@amasad That's cool, do you use bog-standard MacOS X or have you customized it a bit? I'm using a Linux with a tiling wm so I have fallen into the hole of "rice, rice rice". I do think that having a personalized setup is good. Would it be too personal to send a "neofetch" (which is a system info displayer) of your system?

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amasad

@CodeLongAndPros yes standard. The only difference is that I install keyboard maestro and map the keyboard to emacs like bindings so I can drive the entire OS without touching the mouse, which is for nubs

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HackermonDev

What do you do every day? I know you are the CEO and you are really busy, but what do you do as CEO? Do you like hire new people on repl.it or ...? Any new upcoming features coming to repl.it? What is the most popular repl on repl.it 🤔?

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amasad

@PDanielY one way to think of my day is a split between offense and defence (or proactive vs reactive). When I'm reactive I'm responding to emails, messages, and on calls with employees, investors, partners, and potential recruits. In this mode I'm helping employees achieve their goals, listening to their problems, and make sure they have all the resources they need.

When I'm more proactive, I'm starting new projects and thinking about the future of our platform or I'm working on new community initiatives like code jams and things like that.

A lot of ideas that became a a major product or feature starts with prototyping, or making a very simple version of that or even just a design mock. I do a lot of this.

Finally, I do a lot of planning and strategizing. Replit is a small 🦐 in a sea of 🐋. We have a lot of copycats and big companies are trying to copy us too. So we have to have a strong strategy. Kind of like war strategy. For us to get really big and profitable and achieve a really awesome product and platform we have to have a winning strategy. And we are winning.

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HahaYes

@amasad ah yes the business man. Will you ever take replit public?

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CodingCactus

What's your middle name?

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amasad

@CodingCactus in arabic your middle name is just your father name. So my father is Fawzi. Which means winning.

So my name is Amjad Fawzi Masad. Which means Glorious Winning Happiness.

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CodingCactus

@amasad oh nice. Also, why didn't you mention repl talk in your email the other day : (

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amasad

@CodingCactus the email was getting too long. I had an entire section about it but it was either that or loopback. I'll post something on our blog

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amasad

@CodingCactus do you want to collaborate on a post with me? You can talk about your favorite moments and how repl talk was a fun place to hangout during 2020 and lockdowns and whatever else you'd like.

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CodingCactus

@amasad we're actually already working on something like, that, @DartZII can tell you more

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amasad

@DartZII that's awesome. Then I'll let you guys get it done and I can x-post on the official blog and we can send in the next newsletter.

If you want my response feel free to email me [email protected]

I don't check discord often because it's really fun and distracting and I need to stay focused on work.

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Dart

@amasad Email sent! Thanks for the help :)

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Dart

@amasad im going to remove my comments now to keep this a secret

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Baconman321

@amasad Sounds just like a name the repl name generator would come up with

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RowanFromBJC

@amasad Wow, awesome name!

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ch1ck3n

What should i ask

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JBloves27

lol, idk @ch1ck3n

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ch1ck3n

@JBYT27 Can you change your pfp to a banana?

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JBloves27
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ch1ck3n

@JBYT27 It says to ask him anything

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Squirrel777

When did you begin programming?

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amasad

@Squirrel777 I wrote some turtle code when I was 6. Then used a visual programming environment when I was 8 (I forgot the name) and then my first real "code" was VB4 and I think I was 11 or 12. Then PHP when I was 18. And then JavaScript and later Go.

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Baconman321

@amasad Finally a man who uses the great PHP.

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Bookie0

And what computer/OS do you have (macOS POG, windows EW, linux EW, chromebook EWW)? :)

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realTronsi

@Bookie0 macOS uses linux

also correction: (macOS POG, apple devices EW windows MEH, linux POG, chromebook EWW)

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realTronsi

@Bookie0 also make sure to ping me when he responds since I was curious about this too but forgot to ask

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amasad

@Bookie0 macOS

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Bookie0

@amasad YUS good job mr ceo! :D

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Bookie0

@realTronsi replied

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k9chelsea2

@Bookie0 Linux is not ew imo, but I agree with you Mac is pog

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Bookie0
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realTronsi

@Bookie0 only mac issues are: too overpriced, battery lifetime is a scam

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Bookie0

@realTronsi ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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FlaminHotValdez

@realTronsi Yes! Linux POG! Windows MEH! Apple EW! Chromebook EWWWWWWWWWW!

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programmeruser

@maxyang Linux > Windows > Mac > Chromebook

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FlaminHotValdez
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Bookie0

@EpicGamer007 @maxyang @programmeruser

mac >

everything poopsi else lol
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EpicGamer007

@Bookie0 mac baf. overpriced and weird imo. mac is just for style. People think its "cool"

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programmeruser

@Bookie0 detailed description for every OS:

  • Linux: The best OS for developers and the general public alike. May require some technical knowledge though
  • Windows: ok, but it's not *nix and M$FT (luckily we have WSL2 and M$FT is being more open source)
  • Mac: worst OS. overpriced, and uses their own strange variant of Unix (Aqua instead of X11, Objective-C instead of C/C++).
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BhuCoder

OI! I AM A MAC USER AND YOU DARE TO TELL THAT MAC SUCKS!!!!IS [email protected]

Every component in every Mac is optimised for performance and to ensure that it requires less power. ... It's why Apple can issue firmware updates that improve the way certain components work in Macs, and why a new operating system update can actually result in an old Mac achieving better battery life.

For web development, Macs tend to be an excellent choice.

Windows 10 sucks because it's full of bloatware
Windows 10 bundles a lot of apps and games that most users do not want. It is the so-called bloatware that was rather common among hardware manufacturers in the past, but which was not a policy of Microsoft itself

Not that there's not enough software, that not everyone understands Linux, not even because Microsoft is an inescapable monopoly. ... Linux fails because there are too many distributions, Linux fails because we redefined "distributions" to fit Linux. Ubuntu is Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Linux.

I hope that you would in future not talk bad about companies cos they can file a lawsuit against you!

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ObiVibKenobi

Uhh..... I just don’t use a Mac because my parents think its a waste of money to get me a device. However, my sister has a Mac and its super high-speed, and also i think the top keys thing is really cool. It’s pretty cool....

But uh I think you should calm down a little bit

Windows isn’t bad. I had some trash installed on my device and I just got IObit uninstaller And deleted them. Easy-peasy. I only have what I want, plus some windows audio, windows system in, and Windows C++ stuff which I am assuming is important @BhuCoder

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Bookie0

@EpicGamer007

People think its "cool"

heh, it's super cool

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Bookie0

@programmeruser

the general public alike. May require some technical knowledge though

so not for the general public that don't really have that knowledge generally

Mac: worst OS. overpriced, and uses their own strange variant of Unix (Aqua instead of X11, Objective-C instead of C/C++).

best OS, clean, round, simple, 'it just works', beautiful things come at bigger prices, beautiful design, super keyboard, etc,

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Bookie0

@ObiVibKenobi

tell your parents the mac is well worth it

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IntellectualGuy

@Bookie0 Mac is way to overpriced.

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Codemonkey51

LMAOOOOO, LMAOOOOO, hello so Apple can "sue you for saying macOS is bad", but it's perfectly legal to say bad things about windows and Linux?, 1st ur a hypocrite.
2nd Apple can't sue me for saying macOS is bad. Have ya heard of the 1st amendment????
@BhuCoder

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JustA6

@BhuCoder That would NOT be soild grounds for a lawsuit

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Coder100

actually they can't lawsuit you for no reason lmao @BhuCoder

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Coder100

apple bad take that

not even open source

it's web development is absolute bad

have you seen safari? It doesn't even conform to any web standards, it might as well be internet explorer

ubuntu bad

what do you mean? There are barely any distributions, and you can easily find a distribution you want very quickly

components

what do you call the buggy components in apple as good?
@BhuCoder

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Bookie0

@Coder100 yea one of the things I don't like about apple is safari on mac, on mobile it's fine.

but the hardware components are pog, sleek, great design, beautiful, smooth, etc.

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CodeLongAndPros

@BhuCoder

Every component in every Mac is optimised for performance and to ensure that it requires less power. ... It's why Apple can issue firmware updates that improve the way certain components work in Macs, and why a new operating system update can actually result in an old Mac achieving better battery life.

It costs $850 to upgrade a Mac's ram.
My IBM-compatable PC cost me $65 for the parts, and $0 for labor.

OI! I AM A MAC USER AND YOU DARE TO TELL THAT MAC SUCKS!!!!IS [email protected]

He speaks the truth.

... Linux fails because there are too many distributions, Linux fails because we redefined "distributions" to fit Linux. Ubuntu is Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Linux.

Ha!
There is a slight difference between choice and prison.
In Linux, or in fact, any UNIX-like OS, you choose And, no, it's ubuntu linux. Why? Because all ubuntu adds is Snapd and Gnome— both suck. You have obvously not tried anything more than a ?ubuntu.
Macs are terrible for dev. The new Mac "mini" costs " From $699" and it's the M1 chip. The M1 should lower the price to $200 because that's what the chip is worth— zilch, nada, nothing. It's not a processor, it's a jail.

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CodeLongAndPros

@BhuCoder

I hope that you would in future not talk bad about companies cos they can file a lawsuit against you!

And ah, that's where you're wrong. If they do, you can raise a stink, and they can't legally stop you. (Assuming US civil courts).

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CodeLongAndPros

@BhuCoder In addition, Ubuntu Linux is a collection of tools, namely:

  • GNU coreutls
  • APT
  • GNOME
  • wpa_supplicant
  • gnome-term etc

It uses the Linux kernel, and it therefore is Ubuntu Linux.
It is Ubuntu if and only if they code their own kernel. And seeing how the HURD is doing, that's never going to happen.

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Coder100

ew its just round corners inside more round corners @Bookie0

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Bookie0

@Coder100 yup, mac is shniy, round, smooth, and new. old windows copied everything and has these old right angles that make everything seem so straight and rigid and old lol
round is the future, its nice looking and pleasant to the eye of the user

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Coder100

ew round baf
the straighter the better
do not think of that wrong @Bookie0

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@Bookie0
macOS > Linux > Windows > Chromebook

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@Bookie0 This was just a question on what OS @amasad used, and now it has turned into some sort of world war lol

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programmeruser

@Bookie0 mac is a walled garden compared in Windows and Linux

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Bookie0

@Coder100 hahahahahahahaha

no round gut, straight baf

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Bookie0

yea, but the mac is also good @LucasAllori

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programmeruser

@LucasAllori this is what happens when people on the internet mention Windows vs MacOS vs Linux

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programmeruser

@Coder100 do you mean ubuntu bad, or linux bad? (I'm assuming you mean the first)

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Bookie0

@programmeruser yes, mac tries to get you in the super ecosystem of apple (pog), that's why you say garden i think, but yea it's walled because you can't like customize the hardware or stuff. I suppose that's good! :)

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programmeruser

@Bookie0 Apple is less open source than Microsoft.
And by garden I mean overpriced things that only look good on the exterior (of the computer).
And if you can't customize the hardware and stuff that mean's it's horrible for devs.
(are notifs not working for you? Because they aren't for me)

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Bookie0

@programmeruser looks good both on exterior and interior! ;)

And if you can't customize the hardware and stuff that mean's it's horrible for devs.

the general public aren't devs so it's perfect for them. Besides, I don't need to tinker with it as it's great the way it came in the packaging lol :)

(are notifs not working for you? Because they aren't for me)

ya they are. Check settings >> notifications

make sure you don't have DND turned on..

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Bookie0

@programmeruser oh wait u mean repl.it notif? yea for me they're a bit late (10-20 min late)...
kinda annoying but hopefully they'll get fixed! :)

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@Bookie0 WDYM!!! MAC IS THE BEST

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programmeruser

@Bookie0 Linux is just as good for the general public as MacOS is.
We should move this to a private repl or a discord thread or something.

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Bookie0

yes ik! @LucasAllori what did I say?

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Bookie0

@programmeruser probably I feel so bad for all the pings that Mr. CEO has to go through xD

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@teamviewselect woah, calm down.

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CodeLongAndPros

@realTronsi macOS uses BSD

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realTronsi

@CodeLongAndPros oh I thought mac was built upon linux, oops

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xxpertHacker

@BhuCoder They can't file a lawsuit against us if they wanted to, in the US we have free speech.

For web development, Macs tend to be an excellent choice.

This is an unfounded statement, how does an OS help with web development!?

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xxpertHacker

@Coder100

round is the future

I wonder if @Bookie0 is straight...

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xxpertHacker

@Bookie0

And if you can't customize the hardware and stuff that means it's horrible for devs

This is one of the primary reasons that I absolutely hate Mac/iOS/Apple-related tech, they're too restrictive.

I know it's garbage, so I want to change it, but I can't, that means it has to stay garbage, thus ought to be thrown away.

Now, Apple tech is optimized, that I'll give it, but if I can't edit anything, screw it, I'll pass.

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@Bookie0 macOS weird, windows eh Linux wth is that, and Chromebook is complete trash

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@xxpertHacker

And if you can't customize the hardware and stuff that means it's horrible for devs

HHMMMMMM, if its so bad for devs, you might as well build your own computer and program your own operating system for it, if you REALLY need to customize things >:)

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Bookie0

Indeed I am straight, but I prefer rounded corners @xxpertHacker

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Bookie0

Lol like I said the general public aren’t devs and are not interested in tinkering with the Apple devices. Anyways, it’s already pretty good so no need to edit it lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ , @xxpertHacker

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Bookie0

How is macOS weird?! Lol @poetaetoes

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Bookie0

@ridark that's just one site, and you can't always get the answer from only a certain number of the population. This doesn't really mean anything. Like Apple has $2 trillion net worth, but it doesn't mean it's the most popular tech company.

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Bookie0

@ridark if it is so expensive, why are people buying it then? Because it's great hardware and software integrated :)

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glitchish

@poetaetoes

macOS weird, windows eh Linux wth is that, and Chromebook is complete trash

So ur saying no os is best?

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glitchish

@Bookie0 i mean, im neutral in what os is the best, im just stating facts.

also look at this:
Screenshot 2020-12-14 at 8.40.07 AM

Edit: i will say, tho, that ChromeOS is trash
Edit again: Chrome (the browser on an os) is good, but ChromeOS (the actual os) is trash

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Bookie0

@ridark I firmly believe Apple is the best OS and best company for computers, phones, ipads, etc.

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angrydoge

BBro ive never used macOS bc apple is freaking expensive, but linux and chromebook are not ew @Bookie0 theyre still good bc u can get minecraft for free on them :P

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Bookie0

@ridark

also look at this:

it's quality, not quantity. So what if most users use Android? Doesn't mean it's the best lol, but if you're just sharing a fact, sure.

Also be sure to cite your sources or show what website it comes from! ;)

i will say, tho, that ChromeOS is trash

indeed

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glitchish

@Bookie0 ok, i do agree apple is good, but i think it really depends on which OS you have been on for the longest; that is what affects what os you like the best

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Whippingdot

Noooo, MSFT best. Windows is very good. But I will say that Mac is very good for coders. So based on us, Mac should be best. You take any coder, and they will be using Mac. Tho in the future I think I am still going to use windows. I love windows too much. @ridark

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Whippingdot

I HATE THE NOTIFICATION LAG. I GOT A NOTIFICATION MORE THAN ONE WAPPING HOUR LATE. UGH. FIX IT REPL.IT PLEASE @Bookie0

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Bookie0

@dabombdgdzjr great products come at bigger prices

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Bookie0

@ridark indeed, but once you switch to the Apple ecosystem, you'll see everything is so convenient and the handoff is great between iPhone and mac for example, etc. ;)

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glitchish

@Bookie0 i hate dislike mobile devices either way, maybe if you were to show me an example of what your saying i would change my opinion

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Smart0ne

CAN WE ALL AGREE ON THE FACT THAT EVERY OS IS ACCEPTABLE?

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angrydoge

I just looked thru this thread and @Bookie0, @programmeruser, @LucasAllori, @poetaetoes, FREAKING CHILL this was a short thread about OS and now u guys r trashing some pretty good companies

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Whippingdot

Yes...Mabye...no... @Smart0ne

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@Whippingdot this chat is... interesting

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Bookie0
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Bookie0

@dabombdgdzjr only good company here is Apple

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Whippingdot

lollllll. nope. MSFT gooooodddddllllyyy @Bookie0

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angrydoge

Bro you cant say everything else is bad when you probably havent even tried linux @Bookie0. Apple is pretty expensive, and is taking a lot of good things like usb ports out and whatnot. Ive never tried apple bc its so expensive, but I think apple would be best for like gaming/media and samsung is too, but chrome OS is better for browsing the web, and linux is best for coding

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Whippingdot

Hey @ridark, I invited you to the GitHub org for replers. You can join, but please note that it says that I can see your IP address, but when I checked the audit log I couldn't see the IP address, I could only see your country. Note this, and join with caution. I am the only admin fn and I promise I won't do anything with your IP. Use this link to join:
https://github.com/Repl-it-Coders

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Bookie0

@dabombdgdzjr

apple would be best for like gaming/media

woahhh apple is pretty good for gaming, but everyone knows a PC is the best for gaming lol. And a mac is great for coding, art, movie, creation, mostly artistic stuff
it works for almost everything tho lol so u can use it for many things

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angrydoge

idk man, I only used windows like once, on a laptop and now chrome OS is out and its "safer" (bc it cant run exe) (and not as much spyware) (and we cant download roblox(we never did tho)) so I dont know windows too well, but I pretty much know penguin linux, ubuntu linux, and chromeOS like the back of my hand. We got a raspberry pi @Bookie0

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angrydoge

Yeah dang notif lag tho I havent even gotten pinged yet @Bookie0

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xxpertHacker

@Bookie0

Anyways, it’s already pretty good so no need to edit it lol

I must be an elitist or something because my idea of "good" is obviously far better than yours will ever be.

Apple isn't anywhere close to what I would define as "good," imho, their tech, that is, both, their software, and their hardware, is poor quality.

"pretty good" doesn't cut it.

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IntellectualGuy

This has sparked quite the argument.

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Bookie0

@xxpertHacker

well, why is it the richest company? When I say good, I mean insanely good, beautiful, perfect, excellent, marvelous, amazing, shiny, clean, just works, etc. I can't write these all the time so I summarize it with "pretty good"

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xxpertHacker

@Bookie0 If it's the richest company, it's because it charges lots of money.

My "good" is too good to write down, but it's better than what you described there.

shiny, clean

Wait, so Mac can't get dirty?

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Bookie0

@xxpertHacker

If it's the richest company, it's because it charges lots of money.

yet people buy the products. So what if a company charges a lot of money? It doesn't mean anything, except if people buy the products. which is the case for apple lol.

Wait, so Mac can't get dirty?

I never said it didn't, but if you compare a random PC to the beautiful mac, there's a clear difference. Everything is made to precision

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Bookie0

@IntellectualGuy that's just an opinion, and it's almost 1 year ago lol

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xxpertHacker

@Bookie0 Most people aren't devs, but everyone here at Repl is, therefore, Mac isn't suited for anyone here at Repl.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Bookie0

@IntellectualGuy

And also Mac OS is just way too overpriced.

like I said, beautiful design and computers come at bigger prices

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Bookie0

@xxpertHacker yeaaaa ofc ive been bullied for being one of the few mac users but the general public is are not devs or coders or programmers etc.

Thats why a mac is the best tool for them. They don't need it to create applications, tinker with software, or anything like that. They just mostly use mail, notes, calendar, zoom/facetime, message, chrome/safari, etc.

but yea most people won't want a mac here, but you can still have it. you can create amazing things with a mac, like Mr. CEO who made repl.it lol! :)

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IntellectualGuy

@Bookie0

only good company here is Apple

Sorta, apple is good in the phone game, but in computers, Apple just doesn't make the cut, you have to buy so many extra thing for it. Like in the macbook you have to get so many different cables, too make up for the missing ports on the macbook.

Also, the hardware just screams EWWWWWWW.

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xxpertHacker

@Bookie0 Oh yeah, and I wanted 3rd party apps that Apple blocked for doing my normal day-to-day non-development-related stuff, that's when I got rid of my iOS in favor of Android again.

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Bookie0

@IntellectualGuy

And also Mac OS is just way too overpriced.

like what? what cables do you need? most modern devices use thunderbolt 3 ports

Also, the hardware just screams EWWWWWWW.

that is just ur mind lol. apple makes some of the most beautiful deisngs ever.

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Bookie0

@xxpertHacker like what 3rd party apps?

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xxpertHacker

@Bookie0 I forgot, it was a long time ago (in a galaxy far, far away).

(a few months is a long time)

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IntellectualGuy

@Bookie0

that is just ur mind lol. apple makes some of the most beautiful deisngs ever.

Ok, I might have gone overboard on that part, but while there are barely any macbook models, there are so many Windows laptops.

There are also more software updates for windows than Mac OS.

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Bookie0

@xxpertHacker lol that's a great excuse answer xD

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Bookie0

@IntellectualGuy

Ok, I might have gone overboard on that part,

yes gut u realize that :)

but while there are barely any macbook models, there are so many Windows laptops.

true. but it's quality, not quantity. It's better to have a few high-end, classy, pretty, great computers which great software than 100 different PCs all ranging from mediocre to trash to about the same level as mac.

There are also more software updates for windows than Mac OS.

ehh i'd say they're about equal, they both have about 10 + a few small ones in between.

  • wasn't there a non-free windows update? Alll apple updates are 100% free :)
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@Bookie0

true. but it's quality, not quantity. It's better to have a few high-end, classy, pretty, great computers which great software than 100 different PCs all ranging from mediocre to trash to about the same level as mac.

All of those laptops make it easier for people who have different needs for their configurations to have what they want.

wasn't there a non-free windows update? Alll apple updates are 100% free :)

I didn't know that :( , but I mean that's only one update. Also, how much does it cost?

Windows is also way easier to use with the taskbar, and all of the extra apps are easier to access. Windows apps are easier to use and also just better in general than the apps on the macbook. I mean just look at Microsoft 365, Mac Os doesn't have any good alternatives to Word, Powerpoint, and Excel.

Also, Windows is also just way better for gaming than Mac.

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@IntellectualGuy

All of those laptops make it easier for people who have different needs for their configurations to have what they want.

but it won't do much if all those computers are not that good

I didn't know that :( , but I mean that's only one update. Also, how much does it cost?

more than a $100 according to the Microsoft website here =/

but I mean that's only one update.

1 update too many. Apple's updates are free

Windows is also way easier to use with the taskbar, and all of the extra apps are easier to access.

I think my taskbar is pretty neat. I can make it bigger or smaller, make it disappear, make magnification effect, have dots on apps that are open, etc. And it doesn't take up the whole bottom space.

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Windows apps are easier to use and also just better in general than the apps on the MacBook

they may sometimes be slightly better or slightly worse, but is a matter of opinion. My notes, calendar, mail, reminders, calc, settings, etc. those apps work fine for me, have all the buttons that you need, great design (taskbar at the left, buttons on top, etc.) And iMovie and garageband are spectacular.

Windows is also way better for gaming than Mac.

yea duh lol, you can't rely argue with that (like iMovie and garageband for mac), but I still game on my mac and it works pretty well.

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@Bookie0

but it won't do much if all those computers are not that good

Those computers are good.

1 update too many. Apple's updates are free

Those updates are really just add-ons, and if you wanted to call it an update well, think about all the accessories you have to get for your mac.

I think my taskbar is pretty neat. I can make it bigger or smaller, make it disappear, make magnification effect, have dots on apps that are open, etc. And it doesn't take up the whole bottom space.

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Well you can search for all of your apps on the taskbar, you can also access cortana from there. There are indicators for which apps are open. You can also add different desktops if you are working on different things.

Also are we not going to talk about how good window hardware is. There are windows laptops that yoga fold and also most windows laptops also have touchscreen.

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Bookie0

@IntellectualGuy

Those computers are good.

all hundred of those PCs...?

Those updates are really just add-ons, and if you wanted to call it an update well, think about all the accessories you have to get for your mac.

no i mean update for software, and it's always good to have ur computer to the latest update to avoid bugs, things not working, etc. And even if it's a small thing being fixed, or a brand new thing (Big Sur POG), it's still an update.

Well you can search for all of your apps on the taskbar, you can also access cortana from there. There are indicators for which apps are open. You can also add different desktops if you are working on different things.

yea, you can use spotlight (cmd-space), siri is accessible with holding those same buttons or pressing the button or saying "Hey Siri!" And yea we also have cool different desktops

Also are we not going to talk about how good window hardware is. There are windows laptops that yoga fold and also most windows laptops also have touchscreen.

Computers don't need touchscreen. It just leaves fingerprints and it's not very useful. You sit back, and have to get up a bit forward to use your finger/pen to do stuff. if you like touchsreen, you should get an iPad with keyboard lol
and yoga fold is not useful if you don't want touchscreen, as there won't be a keyboard,


Also my discord is Bookie0#7538 if you want, it'd be easier than replying to comments lol

@amasad sorry for all these pings, I'll be trying to stop now. Hopefully you've enjoyed this debate lol! :D

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IntellectualGuy

@Bookie0 Yeah this makes to many pings, so let's just agree that Windows is pog and stop arguing :) .

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Bookie0

@IntellectualGuy no apple pogger

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IntellectualGuy

@Bookie0 No windows Poggest

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@ridark mhm i use BrainSO

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angrydoge

@Bookie0, @IntellectualGuy, save it for PlayStation Vs. XBOX jeez, that way we wont have to have it on repl XD

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@dabombdgdzjr

save it for PlayStation Vs. XBOX jeez, that way we wont have to have it on repl XD

Incorrect, Playstation vs XBOX vs Nintendo.
How dare you insult the nintendo gods

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angrydoge

More like ignore bc theres no competition, nintendo is better @IntellectualGuy

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CodingCactus

cactOS when?

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IntellectualGuy

@dabombdgdzjr Ok I thought you were ignoring Nintendo.

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angrydoge
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IntellectualGuy

@dabombdgdzjr Also maybe Stadia vs XBOX vs Playstation, Stadia will probably be last though

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@IntellectualGuy sorry for posting here, but Windows is second because of M$FT.

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FlaminHotValdez

@ridark Everything > Chrome. Yay!

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MocaCDeveloper

@Bookie0

Linux is very very reliable. ChromeOS is total crap. The rest is just meh, Windows is kinda crappy too but it's ok.

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angrydoge

Dude ChromeOS has linux stop insulting my computer chromebook @MocaCDeveloper

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MocaCDeveloper

@dabombdgdzjr

Yes. ChromeOS has beta support for linux. It is not a full linux machine however, and it does not support linux fully.
However, ChromeOS is primarily just a rip-off version of Linux lol. Although the terminal it supports is kinda crappy, and the only other terminal you can access via a chromebook is by booting it into developers mode which also takes about 5-10 minutes to do so there is kinda no reason to do it.

Meanwhile, you can run Linux almost anywhere, and there is no extra steps to do anything else, meanwhile here's ChromeOS making you boot the OS into "developers mode" just to access the actual shell of the computer. Kinda crappy if you ask me lol

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angrydoge

Hey man, its faster than a raspberry pi @MocaCDeveloper. Ill take what I can get

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MocaCDeveloper

@dabombdgdzjr

Well yes. But it is also useful when it comes down to writing programs in Python (networking wise), meanwhile on ChromeOS you almost are required to get the beta version of Linux in order to do anything(and since it's a beta version, not everything is available or at the tip of your fingers)

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angrydoge

@MocaCDeveloper I mean a lot of stuff is, you just habe to download pip then you have most of the modules. Getkeys broke tho

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MocaCDeveloper

@dabombdgdzjr

Yes, that is true. But I'd much rather own a laptop/desktop that supports a complete version of a Linux distribution instead of a beta version.

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angrydoge

Idk lol as long as I can code python on it, its good in my opinion (unless its freaking expensive) @MocaCDeveloper

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Bookie0

@MocaCDeveloper @dabombdgdzjr
ok pls srop with pings thx :D

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@Bookie0

Oh sorry lmao I know I hate it too. I apologize!

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Bookie0

@MocaCDeveloper ye np np! :D

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KingsleyDockeri

@BhuCoder Guess what. repl.it emulates Ubuntu. Every single repl... it's a simulation of an Ubuntu repl. And Safari sucks.

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@Bookie0 Linux is best, MacOS is good, Windows is good for Apps, Chrome OS is the spawn of satan (barely any app support, laggy, but at least there is some Linux support)

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IntellectualGuy

@jort57 No Linux is POGGEST(I guess so, idk anything about linux), Windows is POG, MacOs is Meh, and Chrome OS is EW.

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tussiez

@programmeruser Linux isn't an OS, tell me if I'm wrong
I believe it's a kernel

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programmeruser

@tussiez linux is a kernel, distros provide a whole os. By the way Linux > All

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tussiez

@programmeruser Yes! Linux > all however I'm too lazy to find equivalent Windows apps for Ubuntu/Linux

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jort57

@IntellectualGuy Linux is great because it has a great user experience and great app support while preserving the command based operating system that ruled the 80's (plus you look like your hacking the NSA when you download a program on the terminal)

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@jort57 Lmao

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@realTronsi sad chrome book noises

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@BhuCoder in america, freedom of speech

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INCOGNITO001

@BhuCoder calm down bro

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@BhuCoder uhhhhhhhhhhh

My Windows 7 that's 5 years old makes 1% fan noise with the same apps as my MacBook Pro that's 2 years old and the Mac does 53% fan....

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@BhuCoder

I hope that you would in future not talk bad about companies cos they can file a lawsuit against you!

No they can't.

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AllAwesome497

@BhuCoder

linux is bad because you can customize it

what

Windows 10 has bloat

well yes, but macs also have a lot of bloat, and macs are priced ridiculously high.

Every component in every Mac is optimised for performance and to ensure that it requires less power.

ok this is just wrong. Apple has been sued for literally putting in code designed to slow down older devices.

For web development, Macs tend to be an excellent choice.

this is a horribly misguided statement. Apple's browser, safari, prefixes a lot of global / window variables, eg window.AudioCTX -> window.webkitAudioCTX. The majority of the world doesn't use macs, so you're then going to be doing extra work to support other platforms because apple likes to be different.

I hope that you would in future not talk bad about companies cos they can file a lawsuit against you!

you realize that companies can't sue you for talking bad about them, right?

Not that there's not enough software, that not everyone understands Linux, not even because Microsoft is an inescapable monopoly. ..

what? What does microsoft have to do with windows. Also, are you saying variety is bad? Last I checked, that was a good thing so this statement doesn't make sense.

I AM A MAC USER AND YOU DARE TO TELL THAT MAC SUCKS

What's it with the internet where if someone has a different opinion, they're wrong? Why are you taking it as a personal insult when someone doesn't like the same operating system which you use?

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piemadd

@BhuCoder how do i downvote a comment

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Bookie0

@piemadd @AllAwesome497 @zavexeon

Bruh now I’m getting admin pings lmfao i think this is one of the most controversial topics/posts lol

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@Bookie0 MacOS doesn't come with a keyboard. Objective-C is terrible, and their replacement is worse.

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@Bookie0 Really, no. Intel Laptops overheat, not a single gpu supports CUDA, mac pro in general is way overpriced (and not even worth it since an even slicker custom pc will outperform at about 60% of the cost)

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@Bookie0 If round is the future then why has apple been round for the past ~30 years

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@LucasAllori Chromebooks run linux you cuck

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@Bookie0 No, not good. Why should i need to buy a whole new system to upgrade one piece. Is stupid. Customization is the future

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@Bookie0 Pls run a stress test and start a timer to see when your mac thermal throttles. Chances are, itll be in less than 30 seconds

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@CodeLongAndPros Unix --> BSD --> Darwin --> MacOS/iOs

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@LucasAllori Well, yes. Any true dev should take a shot at making their own OS, even if it is basic. Additionally, each dev should customize their Linux install as much as they want, that is its purpose.

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@Bookie0 And the general public doesn't use apple, their market share is tiny

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@Bookie0 $2 Trillion because they overcharge and don't invest into innovation. Most things apple "makes" are copied or outsourced. Additioanlly, about 99% of that 2 trillion isn't touchable by apple since it is in off shore bank accounts

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@Bookie0 The only people buying it are people who can afford it who don't know any better

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@Bookie0 Apple isn't an OS. They are 1-2 years late on every phone innovation, and they copy left and right with it. The notch, copied. The base design of iOS, copied. The underlying code of all of their software, copied. Their cameras, made by Sony. Their screens, RAM, and Storage, made by Samsung. Their actual chips, Architecture taken from ARM, made by TSMC. Must I go on?

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@Bookie0 Most users are android because it isn't closed source, is easy to use, and cheap for companies to implement. Additionally, starting with android 7, the OS has massively improved due to the cut downs on bloatware and parts of the OS being ported to C/C++

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@Bookie0 Apple sucks for gaming. DirectX non-existent, OpenGl non existent, and not a single ray tracing card supported.

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@Bookie0 LMK when apple releases a computer with more than 1.5TB of ram. Oh wait, they have not and probably will not for 5 years

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@Bookie0 Bookie what? That literally makes no sense? I can go out to my local microcenter, get a Macbook, and get a pc, with them looking relatively similar and the PC massively outperforming the MAC in every which way

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@Bookie0 If that is the general public then they can just use ChromeOS, since it does all of that...

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@Bookie0

most modern devices use thunderbolt 3 ports

  1. Thunderbolt 3 is a standard, not a connector. The connector is called USB Type C
  2. Why has apple refused to use USB-C for the 4th year in a row on their iPhones? Oh yeah, its because they are greedy over the licensing profits they get from lightning
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@Bookie0 Each PC company only makes a few computers. What you are implying is if you went into a walmart, saw that there are literally 30 shirt brands, and exclaimed, "wow, there are just too many shirts", while each shirt maker only makes 5-10 shirts

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@Bookie0

  1. If you include it into the price of computers, MacOS is actually charged at 200ish dollars, the same as windows.
  2. Windows is free, and never has there been a paid update. What are you talking about?
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@Bookie0

but it won't do much if all those computers are not that good
A 400 dollar laptop can outperform a 1000 dollar mac
more than a $100 according to the Microsoft website here =/
That is literally the cost of Widows 10, not an update. Additionally, most people just buy it from r/microsoftsoftwareswap, which is perfectly legal
1 update too many. Apple's updates are free
Again not an update
I think my taskbar is pretty neat. I can make it bigger or smaller, make it disappear, make magnification effect, have dots on apps that are open, etc. And it doesn't take up the whole bottom space.
I can do the same on windows
they may sometimes be slightly better or slightly worse, but is a matter of opinion.
true
have all the buttons that you need, great design (taskbar at the left, buttons on top, etc.)
same for windows
And iMovie and garageband are spectacular.
tbh no professional uses imovie and no professional uses garageband. blender/davinci/ae/pp/ resolve and ableton/fl studio are way better
I still game on my mac and it works pretty well.
What game, specs, and fps. I'll do my best to compare to my 600 dollar laptop

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@Bookie0

all hundred of those PCs...?
Well yes, for their price point
no i mean update for software, and it's always good to have ur computer to the latest update to avoid bugs, things not working, etc. And even if it's a small thing being fixed, or a brand new thing (Big Sur POG), it's still an update.
From what I have heard, big sur is actually really buggy. Also, I can keep up to date just fine on windows, and most of my things can update by themselves (drivers, software, etc)

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Bookie0

@piemadd but mac does, and mac comes with macOS and a keyboard lol

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@piemadd

mac pro in general is way overpriced

quality, not quantity!

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@piemadd what?
things are gonna get rounder and rounder and smoother over time, which is what Apple has been doing

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Bookie0

@piemadd customization may be the future, but for programmers, coders, etc. Those who are really good in tech and stuff. The general public aren't like that so a mac is perfect for them

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Bookie0

@piemadd anything Apple > everything else

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@piemadd

Most things apple "makes" are copied or outsourced.

like almost every other major tech company. All tech companies "use" others' techniques or stuff, call it copying if you want. And it's not just apple, who copied stuff, windows copied the whole mac before.

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Bookie0

@piemadd so you're saying all those who use apple and buy their products are brainwashed and don't know any better? That's a lot of people. Point is, people trust apple, and it's the richest company. So what if the products are expensive? That doesn't mean anything if no one buys them. But people do.

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Bookie0

@piemadd I know apple isn't an OS, it's a company. MacOS is an OS, so is iOS.

If you say Apple copied everything, then why are people buying their products?

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@piemadd iOS is also extemely easy to use and very intuitive. Everything is round, and simple to understand. It's nicer for the eye to look at.

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@piemadd yeaaaa ik apple isn't the best for gaming, but I use it and it's pretty good for me. Ofc, i don't play major games like CoD, zelda, forza, big games using loads of power and stuff

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Bookie0

@piemadd quality, not quantity!

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@piemadd Most of what people say is based on opinions. When you say it massively outperforms the MAC, maybe some things of the PC are better for you, but some things of the Mac are better for me.

And what other major tech companies make hardware as well as software? Apple does. Windows is just the software. Lenovo just the hardware. Apple combines both of those to make the best products you can have. And combining both hardware and software makes it easier to Apple to control what can be used and make it easier for them to fix things, as they know the whole product bc they made it themseleves.

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Bookie0

@piemadd

What game, specs, and fps. I'll do my best to compare to my 600 dollar laptop

ofc it's not seamless, I play Euro Truck Simulator 2 a lot and Prison Architect and sometimes it lags, but most of the time not. Other games like roblox don't lag. Anyways. mac isn't rely designed for gaming a lot, but since I have a mac, I can still play.

tbh no professional uses imovie and no professional uses garageband. blender/davinci/ae/pp/ resolve and ableton/fl studio are way better

but we also use it a lot in school, and I'm sure people that have a mac use it

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@piemadd

From what I have heard, big sur is actually really buggy. Also, I can keep up to date just fine on windows, and most of my things can update by themselves (drivers, software, etc)

Well I have big sure, my friends too, seems like everything is working fine. And the new look is awesome.

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@Bookie0 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN????? You keep on saying that but don't specify what it relates to. Is it that the ram is higher quality, but you get a tiny amount. Is it that the cores you get are tiny, but are "higher quality". If you're saying that windows only focuses on quantity, not quality due to OS numbers, that is simply a case of correlation, not causation.

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@Bookie0 Fun fact they have actually been doing the opposite. Go back to the powerbook G4. Seems rounder to me than any of the current macs. What about the powerbook G3 Clamshell? Even rounder. What is the iPhone 12 not? Round.

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@Bookie0 Actually, a good chunk of the general population is into custom PC building, as it has become quite popular. People have realized getting a mac for general and daily use isn't worth the money and would rather have a pc, whether it is a laptop or a desktop, which is easier to replace parts in.

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@Bookie0

  • No CUDA
  • No Optix
  • No 64 Core CPUS
  • No 2TB of RAM
  • No DirectX
  • No DLSS

What about Apple being better than everything else?

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@Bookie0

like almost every other major tech company. All tech companies "use" others' techniques or stuff,
My point is that Apple tries to hide this information, though they don't do it very well. Please direct me on Apple's website where they say what manufacturers they use, unlike my OnePlus 7 Pro here: https://www.oneplus.com/7pro#/specs
windows copied the whole mac before.
Windows didn't actually copy macos (system 1 was the original version). Microsoft actually helped develop macos, since apple wasn't able to create a BASIC compiler on their own.

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Bookie0

@piemadd ok fine, I kinda mean that you should care in most cases about the quality of a product, not the quantity. in this case, i mean the quantity of the price.

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Bookie0

@piemadd when I mean round, I don't mean round like a circle. I mean rounded corners, not 90 degree angles but not complete circles either.
round like this:
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Bookie0

@piemadd maybe, but apple is still the richest company, so people do trust in it and still do buy their products.

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Bookie0

@piemadd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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@piemadd

Microsoft actually helped develop macos, since apple wasn't able to create a BASIC compiler on their own.

yes, then they turned away and took the designs and stuff

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piemadd

@Bookie0 Ah, the classic "but its worth it" statement. Lets take a look at a car company, porshe. Are their cars expensive? yes. Do people buy them? Yes. Are they reliable? Nope (https://repairpal.com/reliability/porsche). So why do people buy them? Brand loyalty and the illusion of performance and quality.

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@Bookie0 Read above

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piemadd

@Bookie0 Same with android. And Linux.

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piemadd

@Bookie0 Again, what does that even mean.

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Bookie0

@piemadd like iPhone, except that it is worth it and it works perfectly

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piemadd

@Bookie0 Fun fact most PC manufacturers have even greater control over their products than apple does. Intel, AMD, and Nvidia work with PC manufacturers to make sure the physical hardware is the best it can be. Additionally, MS allows for windows to be tweaked by pc manufacturers to ensure it runs the best it can on their machines.

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anyways forget about it im fighting a battle i can't win because of all ya'll against 1 ;( @piemadd

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@Bookie0 In school =/= professionals using it. If you walked into a movie making conference and said you use iMovie, you would 100% be laughed at.

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@Bookie0 According to the Repl Team, it was really buggy until the first fix.

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@Bookie0 Well the thing is, i do care about the quality. I do extensive research to make sure the ram chips in my system have the best timings possible, that the GPU i buy doesn't use capacitors which cause noise on data lines, etc.

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so the repl team has macs? @piemadd

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piemadd

@Bookie0 I see what you mean, but its just a simple design case.

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piemadd

@Bookie0 pls quote what youre referring to.

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@Bookie0

maybe, but apple is still the richest company, so people do trust in it and still do buy their products
I assume youve read my porshe post

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Bookie0

@piemadd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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@Bookie0 A few, not sure the exact amount tho. The thing is, the people who aren't doing programming all have windows or linux pcs, last time i checked. The development team is about 1/3 macs, 1/3 windows, 1/3 linux

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@piemadd

According to the Repl Team, it was really buggy until the first fix.

wait are you talking about big sur or something else?

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Bookie0

@piemadd so there is mac!

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@Bookie0

so the repl team has macs?
like 3 or 4 of them, so not many

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@Bookie0

wait are you talking about big sur or something else?

Big sur

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Bookie0

minority counts @piemadd

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@Bookie0 3/30 is 10% lol

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@piemadd I though you said it was a third of the whole team?

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@piemadd well actually it's
Linux <> BSD > SVR4 > ancient UNIX > MACH > whatever OS 10 is > WANDOWS 7 > WANDOWS XP > WANDOWS ME > WANDOWS 10